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The entire L.A. City Council racist audio leak, transcribed and annotated by our experts

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More than a year after it was secretly recorded and a month after it was leaked, a backroom conversation among three Los Angeles City Council members and a prominent union president continues to shake city politics. It has triggered resignations, protests that halted much council business, and condemnations from the highest levels of the Democratic Party.

The discussion among the four Latino political leaders was widely denounced as racist, and featured profane remarks and insults about Black people, Oaxacans, Jews, Armenians and others. They also plotted how to use the city’s contentious redistricting process for their own gain.

It’s a rare glimpse into bare-knuckle power politics. Parts of it can be hard to follow. To help readers better understand the context and contours of the discussion, The Times brought together a team of City Hall reporters and columnists to annotate the conversation. Beat reporters offer facts and analysis; columnists provide their perspectives on a discussion that has changed the city’s political history.

Here’s who was in the room:

About this transcript:

This transcription was produced by a team of Times journalists. They worked collaboratively, listening repeatedly to the leaked audio to compile an accurate record of what was said. The text marked in bold in the dialogue has corresponding annotations.

Parts of the recording are muffled and difficult to hear; at times participants speak over each other. In these instances, some listeners may have differing interpretations of what was said.

The transcript can be read top to bottom, or browsed in sections.

A note to readers: This transcription includes profanity.

Introductions and indictments

Kevin de León

What’s up my—

Nury Martinez

How are you? Good. With my Doc Martens, from back in the day. When I used to go clubbing in the mosh pit.

Gil Cedillo

What’s up man?

Nury Martinez

Did you talk to, este (that is), did you talk to Curren?

Kevin de León

Yeah, I did. You know, he called and he said—

Nury Martinez

Now he’s OK with being suspended. But he doesn’t want to resign. I’m like, well, we can’t force him to resign.

Kevin de León

It will be the same action as with Jose Huizar.

Gil Cedillo

That’s right, a leave of absence.

Nury Martinez

That’s what I think he should do. But you know how Mark is.

Gil Cedillo

They don’t ask. They don’t ask.

Nury Martinez

Mark is Mark is Mark. What I did hear is I don’t think the feds have talked to him yet. You know that meeting? When they show you your options. That hasn’t happened.

Kevin de León

So he hasn’t gotten—

Nury Martinez

He’s gonna get arraigned on Wednesday, but I don’t think the meeting where they kind of show you, “Here are the options, this is what we got.”

Kevin de León

OK.

Nury Martinez

So these are your options. I think the meeting was something like this: “This is what we got. You either cooperate, or we’re going to go after your son. You both have been looked at.” That’s what I think is going to happen.

Kevin de León

I called the—

Gil Cedillo

It is going to happen.

Kevin de León

Over the weekend, I called a buddy of mine who is a former U.S. attorney.

Nury Martinez

I have one of those, too. It’s good to have one of those.

Kevin de León

Cool. We’re very close. And he, he had the Lance Armstrong case too, when they were going to indict Lance Armstrong.

Nury Martinez

The cyclist?

Kevin de León

The cyclist. Yeah.

Nury Martinez

What did he do? Doping. Is it doping?

Los Angeles City Councilmember Jose Huizar with a finger to his lips.

Los Angeles City Councilmember Jose Huizar was indicted on corruption charges in 2020.

(Mel Melcon / Los Angeles Times)

Kevin de León

Yeah. And the case was coming out of the L.A. office of the U.S. attorney’s office here. And I said, “Hey man, give me your objective feedback on this thing, Mark Ridley-Thomas. Dot, dot, dot.” He said, I haven’t read the whole thing, but he says I’ve read parts of it. He says, he says it’s a righteous case. It’s a legitimate, real case. We’ve said, for those we’re talking about, some people receive money like in a paper bag. And then so many people get wire transfers or whatever. This is taxpayer dollars, as opposed to private developer dollars. So in many ways you can say that the case is even worse for Mark Ridley-Thomas than it is for Jose Huizar. One thing is private dollars.

Nury Martinez

Weren’t one of the contracts moved, is worth like, 9 or 11 million dollars?

Kevin de León

Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that Huizar got was like $500,000 in cash.

Nury Martinez

In increments.

Kevin de León

In increments. He said, and then I said, isn’t this the equivalent when, particularly the African American community — which was righteous — that says Gil Cedillo had crack cocaine and was sentenced to 25 years to life. Nury Martinez had powder cocaine. She lives on the Westside, she’s a rich kid. She gets like two years’ probation. Isn’t that the same argument that they’re using, but only in reverse? You know, because now they’re trying to look like there’s a double standard. No, there’s not.

Nury Martinez

You think so? Yeah, no. They didn’t think twice before judging Jose.

Kevin de León

I know. They went after him right away. You know, what I did during the course of my campaign with the City Council? I never criticized Jose Huizar.

Nury Martinez

That’s smart.

Kevin de León

Never, one single time.

Nury Martinez

Me neither.

Kevin de León

I didn’t even know the guy well.

Nury Martinez

And what’s to say que (that) Jose wasn’t doing it to also feed his kids? Right? I mean, this, this is, this is, I mean the connection is Sebastian, but what’s to say que Jose also didn’t have debt at his kids’ school, and trying to figure out how to pay for college. I’m not saying that’s the case. I’m just saying, I mean he could have been helping his kids for all we know. That’s probably not the case, but whatever.

Kevin de León

Yeah, I know what you’re saying. And not good. Illegal but, then he’s still helping the kids as opposed to that little entitled privileged prince, Sebastian Ridley-Thomas.

Ron Herrera

Oh, I think probably he hooked it up for certain people.

Nury Martinez

She’s so cute. I can’t believe you’re in this stage of your life, by the way.

Gil Cedillo

I know. I did my interview the other day and she said…

Nury Martinez

’Tas loco con esta niña. (You’re crazy for that girl.)

Gil Cedillo

I’m a grandfather, and I have a 47-year-old son, and a 2 ½-year-old little girl.

Nury Martinez

She’s so cute.

Kevin de León

Your 47-year-old son looks like he’s 37.

Nury Martinez

Her genes.

Kevin de León

Yeah, her genes. Look at Gil, her genes.

Gil Cedillo

Let’s go Dodgers.

Nury Martinez

You like all that stuff. I didn’t really care for… I go that whole little kid shit. Thank God for my husband who wanted a kid, so I’m like, it wasn’t … I was OK.

Gil Cedillo

Look at these curls. You like these curls?

Nury Martinez

It took me eight years to have a kid. To convince me to have a kid, I should say.

Gil Cedillo

I know you like these curls.

Ron Herrera

Naturally.

Nury Martinez

[Inaudible] loves tough girls. Not whiny little kids. She tough? I love tough kids.

Gil Cedillo

Oh dude, this girl is, she’s the boss.

Nury Martinez

You’re crying…

Gil Cedillo

She’s the boss of her school. She’s the only one who walks in not [inaudible]. She walks in and puts her backpack…

Nury Martinez

With authority, that’s right.

Gil Cedillo

Gets her stuff. Goes sits in her place. She’s like, in charge.

Talking South L.A.

Nury Martinez

So anyways, you didn’t connect with Curren? He called me last night. Oh, you did connect with Curren. ¿Y tu? (And you?) Did you connect with Curren?

Gil Cedillo

We talked earlier. Yeah.

Los Angeles City Councilman Curren Price attends a Los Angeles Trade Technical College event in 2021.

Councilmember Curren Price represents District 9, which covers part of South L.A.

(Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)

Nury Martinez

Curren is taking the temperature of the council, probably at Mark’s request. I think Mark knows sort of the direction that the council’s gonna head in. And he’s trying to take the temperature. I think they’re getting two things mixed up. I think they’re getting the whole resignation piece, with the suspension piece — that those wires are being crossed in it. And I don’t know if Curren’s the right person to explain things to … where he’s half asleep. So I was doing my best, I was doing my best last night to explain that the process we took with Jose was one of suspension. It doesn’t mess with his paycheck and he can still collect a paycheck. It’s not on us.

Kevin de León

That’s Ron Galperin.

Nury Martinez

That’s what I told him: You need to go talk to that white guy. It’s not us. It’s the white members on this council that will motherfuck you in a heartbeat. So he started naming names. You know you got it, you know who it is. [City Atty.] Mike Feuer’s gonna fuck with this. Galperin’s gonna fuck with this. [City Councilmember] Bob Blumenfield is gonna fuck with with this. Probably [City Councilmember] Paul [Krekorian]. That’s what they do.

Kevin de León

It’s the very same, uh, when I was in the Senate, when they had the whole shit go down with Tony Mendoza.

Nury Martinez

Where is that guy?

Kevin de León

In Artesia?

Nury Martinez

I never got along with him.

Kevin de León

When the whole thing went down with when I walked into the caucus, and they got all the members there, like clockwork, all the white members, “Come, right now.” Like, this is about transparency. And this is about justice, legal. And I said, “There’s not really a legal issue here, you know, there’s no criminality issue. There’s just a harassment issue.” The people of color were more like, “He’s not guilty, he’s not being charged by the U.S. attorney, district attorney, no attorney. It’s more of an internal harassment policy issue.” And it was very fascinating, to Nury’s point, the white folk cut you in a heartbeat.

Nury Martinez

With government.

Kevin de León

And then when it’s them, they figured out some shit, how to like you know—

Nury Martinez

They get a PR firm.

Kevin de León

Yeah.

Nury Martinez

They get the best attorneys in the, in the city to defend them and spin their bullshit. So that’s why I told Curren last night, I said, I think we need to be careful with that. It’s not us, it’s not Gil, it’s not, well what about Kevin and Gil? I go, they’re not saying anything about that, about his paycheck, about resigning. No, just go take care of your shit, go. Go take care of your business and hopefully it all works out.

Ron Herrera

Wow, yeah, you, um…

Nury Martinez

I’m not going to trash him in the paper either, because that’s the other thing that we’re worried about.

Ron Herrera

You should—

Nury Martinez

In fact, I’d probably do the opposite. Good luck. I hope he gets exonerated, go through the legal process, verdad? Go raise your $2 million you’re gonna need to fight this. Well, that’s the other thing that I told you, my, my friend who was a former prosecutor who was actually head of that department…

Kevin de León

Of the corruption unit?

Nury Martinez

And so, called him, he’s a good friend now. He, he said to me, about the whole call, this whole thing’s gonna work out. He’s like, there’s no, there’s no path here for him. They got him.

Ron Herrera

They wouldn’t have, they wouldn’t, they wouldn’t have moved on him had they not.

Nury Martinez

He also told me that the school is cooperating. Extensively. He knows enough about the case because he’s got friends who, inside the U.S. attorney’s office, who are working the case and the university is. I have a feeling that one of, when I read the indictment, this woman was, ’staba así (she was like that), all over the place.

Kevin de León

The dean.

Nury Martinez

Ya. Hablando, diciéndole (Talking, telling her). Listen, this is going to happen right? And somebody in her office or somebody in that department or somebody—

Kevin de León

Leaked it.

Mark Ridley-Thomas speaks to the press before voting on Nov. 3, 2020, in Los Angeles.

Mark Ridley-Thomas was suspended from the Los Angeles City Council after he was accused of receiving bribes from a USC dean when he was serving on the L.A. County Board of Supervisors.

(Dania Maxwell / Los Angeles Times)

Nury Martinez

Yes! And started compiling all the emails, knew about the text messages, knew about the letter, that handwritten letter that she wrote to Mark. The contract. But it wasn’t in writing. It was a handwritten contract. This is what you’re agreeing to do, and I’m going to do this. The U.S. district attorney, the U.S. attorney’s office has a copy of the letter.

Kevin de León

So my U.S. attorney friend said this too. My U.S. attorney friend said the following Saturday night, he said, “What is very interesting here too is, not just MRT [Mark Ridley-Thomas] but USC themselves.” He says that USC did a preemptive strike by going to the U.S. attorney’s office right away.

Nury Martinez

Is this when Caruso sent a letter to have this investigated?

Kevin de León

I don’t know.

Nury Martinez

Caruso is the one that… Remember that?

Kevin de León

So, but he says, but the dean herself, this 83-year-old woman, was acting on behalf of the university in terms of doing anything and everything she can to raise money. In this case for her department of social work. And one could argue, she says that if I’m the lawyer for the dean of the — la viejita — I’m turning on Mark. She’s gonna most likely turn on Mark. That all she was trying to do is raise money for, for USC. And he says, but even though USC has done a preemptive strike by contacting the feds and cooperating, collaborating, the question becomes — it’s like if you’re, say if you’re Exxon, an oil company, and you committed all of these, these illegal acts and then you go to the Department of Justice and say, “Hey, we just found out from a whistleblower from within our, you know, ranks that this happens,” he says it’d be real interesting if the, if the U.S. attorney thought maybe, maybe not, no, goes after USC, too. So I guess you can go like that way too. They go after USC too. But he believes that the lady, la viejita, will turn on—

Nury Martinez

She Black?

Kevin de León

No, a little white lady.

Nury Martinez

I was trying to find a picture. I didn’t find a picture. You think they’ll plea out?

Ron Herrera

Oh yeah.

Nury Martinez

I think we’ll know more, guys, after Wednesday, when he goes and gets arraigned and then they have his emails.

Gil Cedillo

Here’s, here’s the problem for all of them. Everything the lady did was transparent. Like, “I told you, right, I’m gonna come here and I’m gonna do this. Kevin, I’m gonna do this. This is what we’re doing. This is from university.” So she’s acting…

Kevin de León

On behalf of the…

Gil Cedillo

Of the organization. And the university bets it out they’ve got a thousand lawyers they have [inaudible] a ton of lawyers [inaudible].

Nury Martinez

What else can go on at that school, man. They got a cochino gynecologist that was molesting kids for 20-something years.

Kevin de León

Got the dean caught in…

Gil Cedillo

Carmen.

Nury Martinez

Yeah. You got, you also have that tuition or whatever, admittance, the college admissions case where you’ve got the kids. That actress whose daughter

Kevin de León and Gil Cedillo

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nury Martinez

… was on the yacht.

Kevin de León

There’s one that Caruso sent…

Nury Martinez

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sent a helicopter to get the kid off the yacht in the Bahamas. Shit, what a life, huh?

Kevin de León

They really went after it. I was with Gene Block yesterday from UCLA and we’re at this event for the Chinese massacre, at UCLA. They’re really combative. … When the L.A. Times gets a bug up their ass, you know, they just like… So I talked to Sam Garrison the other day, who is the GR [government representative], he reports directly to Carol Folt.

Nury Martinez

The son of Jim Garrison?

Kevin de León

Yeah, the son of Jim Garrison. He told me that a couple of reporters got Pulitzer Prizes.

Nury Martinez

For the investigation?

Kevin de León

For the investigation. That what they’re doing has legs, just keep it going, just keep it going, just keep it going.

On L.A. political scandals

Nury Martinez

David Z. told me last week — I didn’t want to talk to him. I just was like, “I don’t want to get quoted on all this shit, but what do you want?” He’s like — you know the Feds are leaking shit to David, so that he could write about it. That fucking little piece of shit. And he’s like, “I just wanted you to know, or did you know that there was more incriminating evidence against Mark?” I said, “No, how would I know? As a matter of fact I don’t want to know. So I’ll talk to you later.” I’m uncomfortable with this conversation. I don’t know why you’re telling me this shit.

Ron Herrera

Like county stuff too.

Nury Martinez

So [Los Angeles County Supervisor] Hilda [Solis] called. You know he used to fuck with Hilda a lot. Hilda is like, I go, “Well, I get it Hilda, pero cuidate (but be careful), because, I mean, were you voting on this shit too?”

Kevin de León

Hilda should be careful.

Nury Martinez

That’s what I said. I said, I need to be careful, because whatever…

Kevin de León

She was under FBI investigation.

Nury Martinez

Whatever you start to, whatever onion you’re starting to peel, I mean…

Kevin de León

Did you know that?

Nury Martinez

Nah, I didn’t know that.

Nury Martinez

I guess we all have, huh?

Kevin de León

She was under FBI investigation. [inaudible] I know because the FBI visited me.

Nury Martinez

I guess we all have.

Kevin de León

And she doesn’t know after all these times.

Nury Martinez

Yo no se (I don’t know), but I advised her que tuviera cuidado (to be careful). And she’s, she doesn’t even know if she’s got the votes for tomorrow. She’s introducing some sort of motion to audit all of this shit.

Kevin de León

Tomorrow?

Nury Martinez

That’s what she told me. And she said that…

Kevin de León

She’s going to look into the L.A. Times after—

Nury Martinez

The only person that has sort of signaled that is going to be supportive is—

Kevin de León

[L.A. County Supervisor] Kathryn [Barger].

Nury Martinez

Yes. Las otras, no le digo (The others, I won’t tell them). Don’t be surprised if the African Americans or the old guard, get to [Los Angeles County Supervisor] Holly [Mitchell], get to [Supervisor] Sheila [Kuehl], of course, because she’s all about it. And [Supervisor] Janice [Hahn] is gonna panic and probably not do anything. So if you’re going to do this, make sure you line it up, because if not, you’re gonna look stupid.

Gil Cedillo

They gotta call an audit. Do they need a vote for that? They should just do it.

Nury Martinez

So she called me and I was like, when she calls me about that shit it’s because she wants me to help her get the votes and I’m like what? I’m not involving myself in your shit. That’s on your side of the street. I don’t… So I told her, you’re gonna have problems with Holly, Sheila y Janice, le va dar miedo (it is going to scare her), because she represents African Americans.

Kevin de León

But you know what I wish, just in general? That there was like, we should tell her whatever happens, if it was her or another Latino, they’d be fucking voting for that shit—

Gil Cedillo

In a heartbeat.

Kevin de León

In a heartbeat. They’d vote for that shit in a heartbeat.

Nury Martinez

So I go, I think it’s [inaudible] for them not but…

Kevin de León

It’s the double standard.

Nury Martinez

Make sure you do your rounds. At least secure a third one.

Kevin de León

Because it’s bad politically for them. If that comes to a vote, they’re probably going to say, you know, they’re going to probably try to make sure Hilda doesn’t bring it up for a vote.

Nury Martinez

Does Curren sound nervous? Is his shit done? Like I don’t know, I can’t really tell. He told me it was done. But I’m like, man. I don’t think any of our shit is ever done. They’re never done. They never close a chapter on us. They just keep opening another book, they turn the page, huh?

Kevin de León

I think they like the business. You know, trust me. I had one situation once, it infuriated me, infuriated me. I had the FBI, one day, go visit some consultants who I fired from the Energy Commission, no not that, the Utilities Commission, because I thought they were too close to the utility companies. And I’d become pro tem. So I’m pro tem for the first time, so I’m like cleaning house, I’m cleaning house.

Nury Martinez

It was your anniversary this weekend. Facebook reminded me that I was at the Walt Disney Hall…

Kevin de León

Oh! Oct. 15th, yeah.

Nury Martinez

When you were doing your little swearing-in—

Kevin de León

Swearing-in. Which, by the way, that swearing-in ceremony—

Nury Martinez

You got shit for.

Kevin de León

I got shit all over for it and a month after my thing, in November, [former L.A. City Councilmember and county Supervisor] Zev Yaroslavsky had a black-tie, red-carpet event. The Walt Disney Concert Hall. What did the press say, what did the press say. Shhh… Zilch.

Nury Martinez

That’s why I don’t have parties, because of you. No, I’m serious! Because I’m like, we can’t celebrate our own, our own accomplishments.

Kevin de León

No, you can, you can have a party. But you know what? No, you can have it. You can have it. But you gotta have it at Olvera Street.

Gil Cedillo

El Pueblo.

Kevin de León

Olvera Street. You have to have it at Roosevelt High School. Or Pacoima. That’s what, because that’s where they expect us to be at.

Nury Martinez

Que no (Why not) have it in Pacoima! Right there by the swap meet. Just meet at the swap meet! Everybody’s seen it.

Kevin de León

You can’t have it at the Walt Disney Concert Hall, which is a public building. Or aqui en (here in) MacArthur Park.

Nury Martinez

Criticism for that, and I’m like, “I was there.” You know, you had a ceremony, and then you fed us, you fed us truck food.

Kevin de León

Taco food. Tacos.

Nury Martinez

It wasn’t even, you didn’t even have the little waiters going doing this shit, like I remember.

Kevin de León

Kamala [Harris] raised, when she got attorney general, Kamala raised, like, a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Nada. Tranquilo. (Nothing. No fuss.) I raised $50,000. And the $50,000 was to fucking feed them food. And I got—

Nury Martinez

You had a bunch of trucks.

Kevin de León

I got the venue free, but I had to pay IATSE because they had to do all the sound stuff like that. Those were all the costs. And I got shit all over it because, we, as Latinos, whether you’re labor, whether you’re in the political space, whatever space, we’re not supposed to fulfill those positions. And it has to do with the white liberal world. Because I tell folks again, all those crazies in Orange County, who are pro-Trump, I said, forget about them. They don’t do nothing to us. They’re just crazy people. They’re no threat to us. It’s the white liberals. It’s the L.A. Times.

Nury Martinez

Amen.

Kevin de León

You know, and if you saw the press, you know, just objective, if you saw the press over Mark Ridley-Thomas, you would think this guy was going to be canonized for homelessness. For everything he’s done.

Nury Martinez

For naming buildings after himself?

Kevin de León

The guy who talks about homelessness…

Nury Martinez

No hace nada. (He doesn’t do anything.)

Kevin de León

… outcome and production.

Nury Martinez

You tell me what Measure H has done? You tell me how many detox beds, how many mental health facilities? You tell me where’s, where are those beds that this initiative was, you know, that this tax is supposed to do? This is why he was freaking out when we come after the county, te acuerdas (remember)? He speaks out and defends them.

Kevin de León

He defends LAHSA. He defends the county.

Nury Martinez

Defends where he comes from because he didn’t do shit when he was there.

Kevin de León

For 10 years. He did nothing.

Nury Martinez

That’s when we started having him and I started going sideways.

Kevin de León

I told my staff, I said, “Why do I work this hard? I don’t want to work this hard. Let’s do it the way Mark Ridley-Thomas does. Let’s slide and glide at the surface, you know, lightly and then give the perception that we do things, you know.”

Nury Martinez

We hang out with white liberals and make them—

Ron Herrera

Yeah, but our community is the poorest.

Kevin de León

No, I know what you’re saying. I get it, you’re right. We’re just saying sarcastically.

Gil Cedillo

Two-sixty. Two-sixty right here. Two-sixty. Not one person left behind. Not one cop. Not one fight. Nothing. 10:30 was the deadline, 10:50 it was done.

Nury Martinez

I want him to arrest the protesters.

Gil Cedillo

The only people left were 30 protesters who bum-rushed the fence and the gate.

Kevin de León

You should make the announcement tomorrow, Tuesday. What you did, you know? And I even—

Gil Cedillo

The Times? Right? They hate it, they hate it because we didn’t call them when we did our exclusives. KPCC, Univision, Telemundo, La Opinion. Those were the four things we did exclusively.

Ron Herrera

Those 30 fucking protesters should get a, buy a tent and move into the park with these guys.

Gil Cedillo

We told them, leave ’em and lock ’em in.

Kevin de León

No, but there’s nowhere for them to charge their Teslas when they go back home to Silver Lake, you know?

Nury Martinez

Yeah, where are they going to go take a shit?

[Laughter.]

Nury Martinez

I said let them fucking—

Kevin de León

In the lake?

Nury Martinez

Ahí que se, que se hagan (Let them get) cochino.

Gil Cedillo

I said leave them. Leave them. They’re there. We got all the city vehicles out. We got everything out. We left them. I said wait till after the news and then go tell them you gotta split again. So they left. We left them there. What did they do? They, they’re sitting there like they don’t have nothing to do, right? Nobody, there’s no cameras, there’s nobody’s there, and it’s just like, park’s closed.

Ron Herrera

I thought this was a rudderless ship. Last week?

Kevin de León

What the…

Ron Herrera

The city is a rudderless ship.

Nury Martinez

Is that what [former Mayor] Antonio [Villaraigosa] said? Fucking asshole, dude. Que te, que pas— (What the, what hap—), what I don’t understand it. I don’t understand what happens on… I mean told you, I don’t have—

Ron Herrera

Rudderless ship. No leadership…

Nury Martinez

No leadership. “Rome is burning” was the other quote. I was gonna text it and get into it with him, but what for? You see the messages. “Hermanita (Little sister)…”

Kevin de León

That’s what he does.

Nury Martinez

“Hermani—” You heard the shit that I played for you? It’s crazy shit, the shit that he leaves on my voicemail. I’m like, man, dude. He’s trying. He’s trying desperately to figure shit out for [then-mayoral candidate and Rep.] Karen [Bass]. He was the only one there at his thing, at her thing on Saturday.

Ron Herrera

The same thing, he goes, “hermanito (little brother).”

Nury Martinez

“Hermanito, hermanito. Hermanita.”

Gil Cedillo

It’s the awkwardness of saying, he’s been there for me and it’s kind of, I just listen. I just listen.

Nury Martinez

How many times have you been fucked over?

Kevin de León

By him?

Nury Martinez

I keep a score for this guy ’cause he forgets. I’m like, I don’t know man.

Kevin de León

He and I have never been close. We’re not that close.

Ron Herrera

I always say fuck, Gil will fuck his ass up.

Nury Martinez

He will.

Ron Herrera

Let’s go to a beer bar. No hard liquor. Sober. Jukebox and, and a beer. Fuck it. Hey, watch my boy rock. I tell, you know, the stupid people that I hang out with, watch my boy rock. Old school. No hard liquor, just a jukebox and beer, fuck it. Watch him.

Gil Cedillo

Well, I can drink him under the table, but he’s pretty fast I will tell you. He is a fighter.

Kevin de León

He looks like a little viejita.

Gil Cedillo

I’m a diplomat. He’s a fighter.

Nury Martinez

Que trae con ese? (What’s his beef with him?)

[Crosstalk]

Nury Martinez

I realized he went grayed out. I guess he could dye his hair, but I didn’t realize that his hair was that curly. Did he call to tell you that he was gonna support her?

Kevin de León

He called and he said to me, “We’ve been friends for 40 years, we go back to the Communist Party and…” and all this stuff. Kamala’s operation did a number on Karen, you know when it came to the whole VP thing. Who do you think is a drop of opp research to the press? You know, when it came to the whole dynamic of Karen, and deep-six her with her Communist Party ties. He says it was Ace Smith and all those folks who did it, you know. Then says who, who, and then [Rep.] Maxine [Waters] called me, and Maxine says this whole VP shit, you know, Maxine starts scaring me, you know that, that was no real thing. That was [House Speaker] Nancy [Pelosi] calling Joe Biden, said: “Can you do me a favor? Can you just elevate this woman, you know, for a little bit?” That was not real, but I guess they got bronca (beef), Maxine and her.

Nury Martinez

When I was here with Maxine here at your event, she was talking all kinds of shit about all of them.

Ron Herrera

See, my thing is like with—

Nury Martinez

I like Maxine by the way.

Kevin de León

I like her too. Yeah, she’s straight. She’s straight.

Nury Martinez

Whatever Eric, I’m cool with her.

‘All of the seats are Latino’

Ron Herrera

Gil and I talk, I mean, decades upon decades upon decades. Look back, and what have any of them done for Latinos? And what are they going to do moving forward in the city? Nothing. So, you know, all this. I mean, my goal in life is to get the three of you elected and you know, I’m just focused on that. I mean, we’re like the little Latino caucus of our, you know, our own—

Kevin de León

Of our city.

Ron Herrera

Yeah. And we have to find, you know, new folks to bring in. [L.A. City Councilman Bob] Blumenfield was in here the other day, right, and he goes, “Well, we’re trying to create another Latino seat.” Why do I have to go do that? I go, fuck, the way I see it, all of the seats are Latino.

Nury Martinez

What did he say?

Ron Herrera

He goes, “Oh, you got a point there.”

Nury Martinez

Fuck that bitch.

Ron Herrera

You know, what do we say, 52% of the population is Latino?

Nury Martinez

His mentor is the reason we’re so fucking gerrymandered in the Valley.

Ron Herrera

Right. Right. So, I mean, I’m hoping that you guys can all figure this redistricting out because I just need you elected.

Kevin de León

Yeah.

Ron Herrera

I just need you elected. And then they’re fucking with you? Where, where are you at now?

Nury Martinez

Yeah, I was with [L.A. City Council redistricting commission members] Wendy [Mitchell] and [Richard] Polanco and [Richard] Katz. I don’t know, I didn’t have any beef with them but I have a beef now.

Kevin de León

Shadow Hills.

Nury Martinez

How the fuck you put me in Shadow Hills. Not only that, you took away the airport, you took away Anheuser-Busch. You took away — which generates about 1,000 jobs. The airport generates another, fuck, man, about 5,000 jobs, and he took away the Sepulveda Basin, which is all the shit that I’m moving forward in preparation for the Olympics.

Kevin de León

Is that Hansen Dam?

Nury Martinez

No, Hansen Dam is [Monica Rodriguez’s]. The basin is in the middle of the Valley. That’s between the 405 and the 101. That huge — it’s always on fire — that huge fucking piece of land. I’m working out a deal with the Rams, I’m working out a deal with LA 2028. The mayor’s involved. I just got off the phone with the owner of the Rams, Stan [Kroenke] and Kevin on Friday. And I’m watching all this shit, right? I’m like, hmmm. So you want to talk about Latino districts? What kind of districts are you trying to create? Because you’re taking away our assets. You’re just going to create poor Latino districts with nothing? And the whole Price, [Councilmember] Marqueece [Harris-Dawson] shit, and I told Curren yesterday, I don’t understand this whole thing. Listen, Curren, the way I see it is you busted your ass to bring the Lucas Museum. You busted your ass to build that football stadium. Right?

Kevin de León

Banc of California [stadium].

Nury Martinez

You did all that shit. And now this guy just wants to take it from you. If he’s arguing about assets, go take the airport from Bonin. Andale! You wanna do that? Let’s vote! Have the new commissioner put that shit out there.

Kevin de León

Do you know why they want to take those assets? Because they, they anticipate he loses. Let’s say he prevails next upcoming round. This will be his last four years, that eventually becomes a Latino seat. They want to take—

Nury Martinez

That’s even worse. That’s even more insulting. That you’re not only going to back up your brother, but that you anticipate it going Latino because you know it’s coming. And you don’t want that Latina or Latino to have any assets. It’s even worse.

Ron Herrera

Oh, but then the next election is determined by you three.

Nury Martinez

I’m just saying that’s— I’m glad you caught on to it because that’s exactly what they’re doing.

Kevin de León

But they’re fucking, they’re trying to fuck another — CoCo — another Latino, being me, by saying we will compensate you, Curren Price, by taking half of downtown away.

Nury Martinez

Yeah.

Kevin de León

You know, and giving it to you.

Nury Martinez

Yeah.

Kevin de León

So they fuck a future Latino for CD 9. And the current Latino for CD 14. That’s how arrogant, just how arrogant it is.

Nury Martinez

So going into this, it’s very clear to me that Katz already had a map even before they met. I think Bob Blumenfield, his fingerprints is all over this, and I think they’ve been working with, I think they co-opted Fred Ali. Fred has very strong ties to the African American community in South L.A. I didn’t realize to what extent, and I think they co-opt them and then the rest of it is just, you know. They got your commissioner convinced that this Latino seat in the Valley is worth anything. It’s bullshit. It’s a fake seat. She’s like, she’s, she’s headstrong about that shit.

Ron Herrera

Did Danny say anything about it to you?

Nury Martinez

Danny, Danny told me, Bakewell, who I have a relationship with, either he’s always been there for me. I called him for some, not advice, but sort of a sounding board about Mark. He told me some shit in private that I know I’m making the right decision, based on my conversation with him. But he also was asking me about this redistricting bullshit because he’s very frustrated, because Mark, because Mark has his fingerprints on this shit that Marqueece is trying to do. So even among them three, it’s problematic because they’re fucking each other. And so he met with Marqueece and Curren separately to try to figure out what if they can, you know, slice the baby in half. Curren’s not about that. So they’re trying to figure out how to split Expo Park and maybe, I don’t think, I don’t think that’s a good, that’s a raw deal for Curren. What I told Danny was this: I said, leave Curren alone because he needs those assets to run for reelection. That’s his platform — job creation, economic development, todo eso (all that). Leave him alone. What I think should happen, this is really about assets, I told Danny, tell Marqueece to go after the airport. You got the People Mover, or whatever that shit is called, you got the modernization projects coming down.

Kevin de León

And then he would go after another Black member.

Crude attacks against Mike Bonin

Nury Martinez

Billions of dollars worth of contracts at the airport. We’re negotiating with labor on all this shit. You want to be a baller? Go after that, because that’s where the fucking money is at.

Kevin de León

Because that’s the fourth Black member. That’s the fourth Black member. You know there’s four Blacks on the City Council.

Nury Martinez

He loved it. There’s a what?

Kevin de León

Four Blacks.

Nury Martinez

Four Blacks? Yeah. Bonin.

Kevin de León

Mike Bonin. Mike Bonin won’t fucking ever say a peep about Latinos. He’ll never say a fucking word about Latinos.

Ron Herrera

That’s dead man walking, right, Gil?

Gil Cedillo

Yep.

Kevin de León

He talks so much shit about homelessness and he doesn’t even build any—

Nury Martinez

Nada. (Nothing.) The trackers, look at the trackers. You and I are always on the trackers. Even LAHSA put out a tracker last week. You should see the fucking 15 fucking motels or hotels, motel rooms that fucking Bonin put up. Fuck them.

Gil Cedillo

Two hundred and sixty placements Friday night.

Nury Martinez

To his 15.

Gil Cedillo

To his 15. Thousands of units of housing.

Ron Herrera

He’s got to run in a recall now, right?

Nury Martinez

So what’s going to happen with Bonin is, if it qualifies, if it qualifies — this is why I don’t, I really don’t ask the city attorney — if the recall qualifies, his recall is scheduled for March. Recall.

Kevin de León

Not the election.

Nury Martinez

The election’s in June. So, si pierde (if he loses), he’s still on the ballot for June, so what does that mean? He runs twice? He gets recalled in March and then he’s still on the ballot for June. How does that work?

Kevin de León

That’s crazy.

Gil Cedillo

He’ll lose both. He’s not going to rehab himself and—

Nury Martinez

So getting back to Marqueece. I told Danny if you want to cut a deal and if you want to, if you want to make like fucking boss moves, I would go after the airport. He goes, “Fuck, I love that idea.” I said, “Tell Marqueece. Go take it from his friend. Don’t go after, leave him alone. Go get the airport from his fucking little brother, that little bitch, Bonin.”

Ron Herrera

[inaudible] Black people.

Nury Martinez

I go, “What is with, what’s with Bonin?” I said, “Bonin thinks he’s fucking Black.” “That guy don’t think he’s Black.” I go, “He thinks he’s Black.” I told him the same thing.

Councilmember Mike Bonin

Councilmember Mike Bonin listens during the council’s Oct. 26 meeting, when his colleagues voted unanimously to censure Councilmembers Gil Cedillo and Kevin de León, as well as former Councilmember Nury Martinez, for their statements in the leaked recording.

(Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times)

Kevin de León

His kid is. His kid is.

Nury Martinez

He goes, “Why are they so close?” I have no idea.

Kevin de León

He’s from Massachusetts.

Gil Cedillo

His kid, the one he adopted.

Kevin de León

His kid he adopted. [inaudible]

Nury Martinez

He’s Black. Yeah. Lo trae así (He lugs him around) during Black History Month, lo lleva al council y lo pone aca (he takes him to the council and puts him there), remember? Lo trae like…

Ron Herrera

A prop?

Nury Martinez

… it’s an, it’s an accessory when we do the MLK parade.

Kevin de León

Just like when—

Ron Herrera

They used to have those statues in the plantations—

Kevin de León

Nury brings her Goyard bag or the Louis Vuitton bag.

Nury Martinez

Ahí trae su (There he brings his) negrito, like on the side. Lo trae, verdad? You sit next to him, you don’t got nothing to say. For MLK, for the parade, that Herb used to organize and all the council who wanted to join Herb on the float, ’cause he used to do a whole float — it used to be nice. Bonin would be like, “Hey, Nury, are you’re going to the MLK?” “Well, Herb invited me, yeah, I’ll go.” “OK, I’m bringing whatever the kid’s name is.” I’m like, it’s like the oddest thing, it’s like Black and brown on this float. And then there’s this white guy with this little Black kid who’s misbehaved. Este niño (This kid) has no, he’s, they’re not even, they’re not doing, the kid’s bouncing off the effing walls on the float. Practically tipping it over. There’s nothing you can do to control him.

Nury Martinez

Parece changuito. (He seems like a little monkey.) And I’m just like, “Oh my God.” I’m over here trying to parent this kid. I’m like, you can’t do that. I said no. And Mike is like, you know, I’m like, you’re not fucking teaching your kid anything. It’s me and Karen Bass on the float trying to fucking check this little kid. Me, Karen Bass y la esposa de (the wife of) Marqueece, Carrie, we’re all looking at each other because we’re the three women on the float, like who’s gonna fucking — this kid’s going to tip us over. Because he’s literally hanging on the rails.

Ron Herrera

We can’t let them off because the spectators will beat his ass.

Nury Martinez

They treat him like a little white kid, which I was like, this kid needs a beatdown. Like, let me take him around the corner and then I’ll bring him back.

Gil Cedillo

Yeah.

Nury Martinez

“¿Sí me entiendes? Ven pa’ aca.” (“You understand me? Get over here.”)

Gil Cedillo

Needs a pinch, something.

Nury Martinez

So, anyways, getting back to redistricting.

Eunisses Hernandez passes out fliers in Glassell Park.

Community activist Eunisses Hernandez defeated Councilmember Gil Cedillo in the June election.

(Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times)

Nury Martinez

Yeah, that is, yeah. So.

Ron Herrera

Well, I look at it like, like your opponents are broad. There’s a lot of connection between all this, right? So, and we have to be cognizant of it here. You know, I have to be quiet about it, right? But we have to analyze who really is, you know, our opponent.

Gil Cedillo

Yeah.

Ron Herrera

Right. Like with, you know, Gil’s opponent. She appears out of nowhere, a 31-year-old, you know, lawyer that, who is she, right? But once Isaac Bryan endorsed her—

Kevin de León

Isaac Bryan endorsed her?

Gil Cedillo

Yep.

Ron Herrera

It surfaced the opposition. So all the, you know, folks like with [L.A. County Dist. Atty. George] Gascón, he did call me and wants to have breakfast with me.

Nury Martinez

What’s taking him so long?

Ron Herrera

I just said, hey, we need to talk.

Nury Martinez

Gil supported him from the—

Ron Herrera

I, don’t worry, I got you.

Nury Martinez

Fuck that guy. I’m telling you now, he’s with the Blacks.

Ron Herrera

You’ll start seeing them line up. Isaac was the first one. And I was with Isaac hanging out at Taste of Soul in South L.A. So, but you know, it’s deeper than, because Gil and I were talking about it, it’s deeper than, than what you think. This isn’t any 31-year-old rookie running.

Kevin de León

Just running on her own.

Ron Herrera

She’s not running on her own.

Nury Martinez

This kid, Eunice, Eunisses, whatever her name is.

Kevin de León

I met her for the first time. The other day she came. I don’t know who she was. And she introduced herself.

Nury Martinez

I know I’ve never met her.

Ron Herrera

Yeah. But it goes back to you know, what has her mentors done for our peeps?

Nury Martinez

Who are the mentors?

Gil Cedillo

The biggest thing that I talked about Thursday, at E&A, was a lot of this has an anti-union bent.

Ron Herrera

Yeah.

Gil Cedillo

It’s all about funding, the CoCos, and the whole range and the talk to [inaudible] a whole range…

Kevin de León

You’re talking about nonprofits versus unions.

Gil Cedillo

…of affiliates, right? Good names, benevolent mission, but anti-union, right? You told me we wanted to count the number of engineers in the committee meeting and at 7% Blacks, and they were screaming for equity to get to nine. And then they tell him 22% Latinos are engineers. And they say we’re aiming at equity, he meant parity. I said that’s not parity, that’s 50. Half these engineers have to be, right? All those are union jobs. Right? Everything in the city is union. Everything is locked down union. We need more people at the desk, more architects, engineers to evaluate all the development that’s needed. All the development that’s needed as all the jobs that we have to create. But they want to give it to a nonprofit that CoCo dictates where you’re not really an architect, you’re not really an engineer, you’re kind of a tech, right? Oh, you don’t need to be an engineer. You don’t need to be an architect. You don’t need to be in public works. You don’t need to, you know, to pick up the trash. Everything is done by 501(c)(3)s. And that means all the union jobs.

Kevin de León

It’s a different type of outsourcing.

Gil Cedillo

It is outsourcing. It’s contracting out.

Ron Herrera

Subcontracted. Straight out. It’s key. That’s how we see it. It’s contracting.

Gil Cedillo

Yep. 100%. So the E&A. Same people coming after you are the same people coming after me.

Kevin de León

[inaudible] Darlene.

Gil Cedillo

Is that her name?

Nury Martinez

Darlene Kuba?

Kevin de León

The one…

Nury Martinez

Oh, Marleen.

Kevin de León

Marleen.

Gil Cedillo

African American woman?

Nury Martinez

No, no, you’re talking about, you’re talking about all engineers and architects. We’re talking about the other, the other one?

Gil Cedillo

Darlene Kuba?

Nury Martinez

Yeah, who does Darlene represent? It’s not Engineers & Architects, it’s the other one.

Gil Cedillo

This was Tyler.

Nury Martinez

They get it?

Gil Cedillo

Yeah, they got it. They’re like, freaking tossers like, oh, wow.

Ron Herrera

Yeah, literally, it’s like KIWA. KIWA does all the restaurants and small stores. They encroach on HERE and UFCW. And I had a, I’ll share this with you all. But the woman from KIWA, Alexandra, was critical of Alma from SEIU, and what went down with her, right? So she said she was driving this morning, and she didn’t know if she should say anything and be critical about what just went down, but we can’t accept that kind of behavior. You ain’t even on our radar, you’re a fucking 501(c).

Kevin de León

They don’t say nothing about Mark.

Ron Herrera

No. No. Well, I, uh, I shut her up, though.

Nury Martinez

It’s real sad the shit that I heard what happened to her though.

Ron Herrera

But I had, I had to put her down because all the SEIU people — we were on Zoom — started bringing up their screen, but once I talked, right? They go, yeah—

Gil Cedillo

Everything at SEIU, to me, starts 100% suspect. Right? C’mon, man, I know this stuff. 100% suspect.

Nury Martinez

It just doesn’t sound like—

Gil Cedillo

There’ll be a Phil Giarrizzo back there someplace, there’ll be somebody. All I know is the people they run out were people who wanted to organize workers. And the people who stood, are people who wanted power.

Nury Martinez

So you think they wanted her out, somebody?

Gil Cedillo

Yeah.

Kevin de León

To that FPCC, but–

Nury Martinez

That’s where it started right? It’s a [FP]PC investigation.

Kevin de León

Yeah, so if [inaudible], that the taxes and DVD stuff, but I’ve said to folks, “Listen, I don’t know the particular details. I know Alma is a good strong Latina woman.” I said, $10,000 in 2014 in expenditures in a state Senate race, in Orange County [inaudible] about food? Are you fucking kidding me? Really?

Gil Cedillo

Yeah. They don’t like the tacos.

Kevin de León

Really? What? El esposo, el esposo, si el tiene bronca. Es el esposo. (The husband, the husband, if he does have a beef. It’s the husband.) But you really gonna tell me.

Nury Martinez

That’s how I saw it, too. He might have had some payroll issues, whatever. I’m not, I’m not making excuses for that. People get sloppy.

Ron Herrera

No, but the bigger thing is, is they’re looking at certain people.

Gil Cedillo

You’re right.

Ron Herrera

Right? And we just can’t give it. We can’t, you know, we can’t give ourselves to ’em. No, and it’s hard, because I mean, you know your staff might do something fucked up, right? You got a handler for it, but you know, Gil lived through this. Martin Ludlow. Martin Ludlow. They weren’t after Martin. They just said OK, fucker. You want to be that way, bam. You know, so—

Kevin de León

Janett Humphries.

Gil Cedillo

All politics. She sat there every place I went to, she was there. With her daughter. Big deal. Signed off everything. She’s a teacher’s aide. They put her in this position, right? And have her up there. Every, everything I went to she was there.

Nury Martinez

I got along with her.

Gil Cedillo

And then they jumped her.

Nury Martinez

I didn’t think she was very smart.

Gil Cedillo

They jumped her.

Nury Martinez

Se va bien conmigo. (She gets along with me.) She got along with her boyfriend. What’s his name? Used to be the head of 99?

Gil Cedillo

Bill Worries.

Kevin de León

No, Bill Lloyd.

Nury Martinez

Now that’s a fucking shady motherfucker. One time I was gonna, I remember when me and [Richard] Vladovic on the school board almost went to blows in a closed session meeting and Vladovic called Antonio [Villaraigosa] to snitch on me like, that I had disrespected him. Which I did. Cause he yelled at Mónica García and fucking Mónica García just fucking stood there and took it. Well, you going to fucking let him talk to you like that, fuck that shit, I’m getting up. And then I tapped in the judía (Jew), Tamar Galatzan, now I’m like, this is a chola. Pobrecita (poor little) Mónica. I’m like, for as big as you are and as loud as you are, you can’t fucking defend yourself. I’m not going to be spoken to that way and I’m not going to let you get spoken to that way, so I tapped Tamar in and we both took his ass on. Bill then kind of called me to kind of check me and I’m like, fuck you dude, you too. Fucking Antonio was like why are you going — fuck this guy. How you fucking let these people disrespect Mónica? You guys haven’t given her a job. You weren’t even giving her a fucking salary increase. And Antonio was the mayor! We couldn’t get a salary increase. Que, bad timing, political optics y quien sabe que tanto (and who knows how much). Meanwhile, we’re fucking scraping right? Fucking making $25,000 a year, having other full-time jobs. And Mónica just lived on that I think.

Gil Cedillo

She made everybody rich.

Nury Martinez

Pobrecita (Poor thing). All of them. Camacho, all these fucking guys y de que le sirvio (and what did it help her)? I’m like, man, Antonio used her to the 10th degree. It’s fucked up. That was, my, so me and Bill became friendly after that. But dude, whew.

Ron Herrera

Gil and I had these discussions at different ends of the city, right? But the same discussion 50 years ago that we’re having today. Right?

‘The thing for us is to exercise our power’

Nury Martinez

So what are we going to do about redistricting? Is that what we want to do, talk about?

Gil Cedillo

Let me say this about this. So unlike 25 years ago, we do have a Mexican in charge of the Fed. We have a Mexican in charge of the council. We have more members on the council. We’re in a different spot now than we were 25 years ago. The thing for us is to exercise our power.

Ron Herrera

Exactly.

Gil Cedillo

To get together, like we are, exercising our power. You’re right, there’s three seats. If you figure out the Valley, the seats on this corridor, historic African American, which I could support one. Maybe two. But those are Latino seats. Yeah, get Fernando Guerra in here, there’s 57 out of 60 seats that African Americans are in, are Latino seats. From the Comptons to the Gardenas to the—

Nury Martinez

Even Inglewood probably.

Gil Cedillo

Oh, Inglewood, 100%. Right? In the city. What’s Curren at, 76%?

Nury Martinez

86.

Gil Cedillo

86.

Ron Herrera

Fucking South-Central.

Gil Cedillo

Oh my God. You can’t throw a rock and not hit a Mexican.

Ron Herrera

South-Central.

Nury Martinez

86.

Gil Cedillo

The 15th is also, right?

Ron Herrera

Yeah.

Gil Cedillo

And the 8th and the 10th.

Ron Herrera

The 15th should be run by union members and Latinos.

Gil Cedillo

Yep. Young Chicano union members, longshoremen, right? Down there, Teamsters. Right? It’s the strong — one of the strongholds.

Nury Martinez

Yeah.

Gil Cedillo

We gotta get there some talented people for the 10th, right? Celinda Vazquez, people who grew up there, not the parachute in, not that “I went to Yale, I’m gonna come back and parachute in,” but real people who grew up there.

Nury Martinez

[Talking on phone] No, no, no, that’s not true. You should call Sarah about that, Sarah’s got more information.

Gil Cedillo

You develop. And then taking the airport. I like that idea of taking the airport, because that’s powerful. Not to have a Bonin there. But to have somebody who cares about all the jobs, all the development.

Nury Martinez

[Talking on phone] Not at all. Nope. And we have no reason to do that.

Kevin de León

What I think is important is that as we speak about expansion, the current Latino seats that we have right now, CD 14, CD 1—

Nury Martinez

[Talking on phone] And [inaudible] what we’re attempting to do doesn’t even make that argument with that map.

Kevin de León

Monica, Nury, right? That base has to be protected as well. And make sure it stays that way for us. And then when we’re gone, you know, if I’m successful, I’m out next year.

Nury Martinez

[Talking on phone] So you should just call Sarah. See if she could tell you more about it because she’s been talking about it.

Kevin de León

If you’re successful, right, you’re out in four years — that CD 1 remains Latino, CD 14 remains Latino. So, as we talk about expansion, right?

Nury Martinez

[Talking on phone] Talk to you later. Bye. Bye-bye. Bye.

Gil Cedillo

That’s why Saturday, I told you I can’t go to Eagle Rock, I can’t go to Highland Park. They don’t love me.

Nury Martinez

But does that map have you going to Eagle Rock and Highland Park?

Gil Cedillo

One of them did, I think—

Kevin de León

Which one? So there’s two. P2.5?

Nury Martinez

Do you have the map, Ron? Because I’d like to get some clarity.

Ron Herrera

Which, which one? The K2.5?

Nury Martinez

Whatever map you’ve got, because we’re all over the place. And these guys already have their own deal.

Ron Herrera

The 64, what is it? 932, that one? The latest? The LCLAA [the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement, which is pronounced lack-lah] one?

Nury Martinez

I think, no matter what happens, Gil, we’re going to have to fix it in our house.

Gil Cedillo

Yes.

Nury Martinez

So, let’s come up with options. The whole thing is, push both of them, and then we’ll have to figure it out in house. That’s it. So amend it, make changes now. This commission has fucking gone rogue and they’re fucking useless at this point. To me, just move them both and then we’ll fucking figure it out from there. But if you’re pushing whack maps, you’re gonna end up with a fucking disaster on the council. So push both.

Gil Cedillo

The other thing—

Nury Martinez

That’s all I’m asking.

Gil Cedillo

That process is. I’m going to leave it here. You know me on process. Right?

Nury Martinez

Yeah, that whole process is shit that they’re arguing.

Gil Cedillo

I’m not so much on the process as the result. The outcome.

Kevin de León

The outcome, yeah. Who cares about the process?

Gil Cedillo

So, there’s certain people who don’t merit, like us, rescuing them. Your comadre (female pal), right?

Nury Martinez

I’m not arguing anything about that.

Kevin de León

Quien es su (Who is your), who’s your comadre?

Gil Cedillo

You know, [L.A. Councilmember] Nithya [Raman].

Kevin de León

Oh, Nithya, yeah.

Gil Cedillo

She doesn’t merit. Right? She’s not our ally. She’s not going to help us. Her district is not a district we can count on.

Kevin de León

So you’re saying that’s the one to put in the blender and chop up, left and right.

Nithya Raman

During the redistricting process, participants in the secretly recorded audio discussed ways of redrawing Councilmember Nithya Raman’s district.

(Los Angeles Times)

Nury Martinez

Well, that’s what they did.

Gil Cedillo

Yeah, why not?

Nury Martinez

But it also impacts everybody else. It impacts the Valley, which fucks me. And I’m not cool with that. It impacts — and whether you like [L.A. Councilmember] Mitch [O’Farrell] or not — it impacts him. It impacts you. It impacts Curren. The whole point here is how do we stabilize the Valley?

Ron Herrera

Hang on one sec. The kid that’s running from HERE. He ain’t on your side either.

Gil Cedillo

No.

Nury Martinez

Oh, no, I know.

Ron Herrera

Hugo [Soto-Martínez].

Kevin de León

Who is he running?

Nury Martinez

Run against Mitch.

Ron Herrera

So her point on Mitch is, I just interrupted her, but I apologize for that. But I want to make sure that we protect Mitch—

Gil Cedillo

Allies.

Ron Herrera

Because this guy is, this guy is your opponent.

Gil Cedillo

[inaudible] The one I know and the one I don’t know.

[Laughter.]

Gil Cedillo

I got one devil and another devil.

Nury Martinez

So my point here, is don’t mess up the Valley, ’cause we’re cool in the Valley. Why do you want to fuck with [L.A. Councilmember Paul] Krekorian for? Nobody wants a little Armenian love? I mean, they haven’t done anything to us. He’s not a problem. Stabilize the Valley. Nithya is not going to get the perfect district. We’re not going to give her a renters district. That’s what she wants. I told her that’s not happening. You’re gonna get the district that you’re going to get, you’re going to have to run, and probably in a district that more than half of them don’t know who you are. Go fucking do the work and see if you can get reelected.

Ron Herrera

That’s why she—

Nury Martinez

But our commitment is not to reelect her. That’s not my commitment, right?

Ron Herrera

Yeah. No, she wants to rile up the renters to create a base and not do anything for the renters. But she’s just got to keep that agitation.

Nury Martinez

She’s not going to get the renters. We’re not, we can’t give her that.

Kevin de León

Because the thing is, is like say for example, CD 1, or CD 14. Of course, in the immediate for Gil’s reelection. But then Gil has one term. It’s not us. It’s for Latino strength for the foreseeable future. Whereas for her, it’s not about, it’s about just her as an individual, right?

Ron Herrera

So for us here—

Gil Cedillo

She won’t even endorse me. She won’t even endorse me.

Nury Martinez

We’re going to get to that point. So is… What is this?

Ron Herrera

One of the maps.

Nury Martinez

Which ones are these?

Gil Cedillo

Listen bad stuff is, it comes to the council.

Nury Martinez

Yeah, but give me something I can work with. You give me a fucked-up district where you piss off the entire Valley. That’s not gonna work.

Kevin de León

Yeah, that was important.

Nury Martinez

Why are people fucking with us?

[Laughter.]

Nury Martinez

Why? It’s always the case. We don’t get involved in anybody else’s neighborhoods.

Kevin de León

All the Latinos for some reason, Polanco, Sonja Diaz, Rocky Delgadillo

Nury Martinez

But why?

Kevin de León

Everyone but the UFCW ones.

Ron Herrera

I think what happens is it’s like anything else, Gil. It’s just, given that, “Oh, OK, OK, OK.” And then other people probably said, “What? OK.” They don’t really. I’m sure Katz and his crew have an agenda but—

Nury Martinez

The judíos (Jews) cut their deal with South L.A. That’s how I see it. And they’re gonna screw everybody else.

Ron Herrera

Was it Mark?

Nury Martinez

And Katz.

Ron Herrera

So here’s like, for us, I didn’t finish, but, so we got the, you know, Gil’s opponent, whatever you want to call them. Right? And then you have, you know, the CoCo group. Right? Marqueece? And then you have us, right? Who believe in union and, you know, helping poor Latinos. So we could, if the council split three ways — which it very well could — then you got the whites on there, right? So four. We’re the minority with 25% at that point.

Kevin de León

I think Curren will come with us.

Nury Martinez

Yeah.

Ron Herrera

No, but I mean, I mean, just in the future.

Nury Martinez

Curren will come with us.

Kevin de León

Krekorian, I think, will come with us, but if they’re made sure that the labor map is better for Krekorian.

Nury Martinez

He also wants his guy elected. So he needs a district that Adrin Nazarian can win it. That’s what they want. They want to assure, they want to be reassured that they have, not a Armenian district in the Valley, cause that doesn’t exist. But they want as many Armenians in that district as possible to be able to play. Now I don’t think Adrin, Adrin gets elected. If a white, a reputable white businesswoman runs in that district, it’s still pretty white. But that’s on them. I’m not, I’m not cutting that deal with anybody because I don’t know. I don’t know that he can win.

Ron Herrera

You know that Aveen works for Caruso.

Nury Martinez

Areen. No, ya se fue (he left). He started his own business.

Ron Herrera

He’s with Caruso.

Nury Martinez

Yeah, I like him.

Ron Herrera

He’s cool. I mean…

Nury Martinez

I don’t have a problem with him. He’s been helpful to me in the past. He’s critical of Krekorian because they had a small falling-out when Areen left his office. Krekorian was really pissed off and stopped talking to him. I think they’ve made up, but I got along with Areen.

Kevin de León

What’s his name? What’s he look like?

Nury Martinez

Areen. The guy with the one eyebrow.

Ron Herrera

Tall guy.

Nury Martinez

He used to be Antonio’s body person. Like that’s how I met him. He’s married to a friend of mine. Areen, what’s his last name?

Ron Herrera

Sepa (Who the hell knows).

Nury Martinez

No se (I don’t know).

Gil Cedillo

It ends in i-a-n, I bet you.

Nury Martinez

What are we going to do guys? I mean—

Kevin de León

So the question is because—

Ron Herrera

You’re going to take care of yourselves.

Kevin de León

Yeah.

Ron Herrera

Whatever—

Nury Martinez

Yeah, but do we give up on this commission? Is there anything that is, uh, is Polanco going to keep fucking with the Valley? Like, who I don’t even understand what his shit’s about.

Kevin de León

Cannabis.

Nury Martinez

Yeah, pero (but), does he have the best interest in mind for you? Is he trying to create cannabis lines? That’s how I see it.

Seeking a safer district

Gil Cedillo

You know how I feel about cannabis. So he’s got nothing for me. He’s got a simple charge: Protect me, advance me to go west. I don’t need the northeast, I don’t need Eagle Rock. I don’t need Highland Park. And I don’t need Lincoln Heights. And so those proposals that we’re talking about, I mean that’s the access for me. And I don’t need Elysian. All these, these new proposals to, I don’t want to say to protect the Valley, but the different configurations end up giving me headaches. [inaudible]

Nury Martinez

What is, but what is—

Gil Cedillo

Elysian Valley is a headache. Eagle Rock’s a headache. Highland Park’s a headache. And Lincoln Heights. I don’t need those headaches. I have poor people. La Raza.

Kevin de León

The Elysian, Eagle Rock and Highland Park are white. And Highland Park, of course, is white. To Lincoln Heights is…

Gil Cedillo

Taken over by whites.

Kevin de León

Latinos.

Ron Herrera

Is it?

Kevin de León

But not voters, right? Are you talking about activists?

Nury Martinez

This is what I’m trying to figure out, Gil, like—

Gil Cedillo

Voters go to work and then go home.

Nury Martinez

So all these communities you keep mentioning, I don’t know where you go.

Gil Cedillo

Are being dropped into my area.

Nury Martinez

With this map?

Gil Cedillo

With the new proposal. The latest proposal hands me—

Nury Martinez

And that’s why you don’t want it?

Gil Cedillo

Yes. The only charge is to grow me south and—

Nury Martinez

So has he done that yet?

Gil Cedillo

That’s what the map is, the one that you object to. That’s what that map does. And so when you’re fixing things in the Valley, you’re sending me headaches to my side.

Nury Martinez

And that’s why you’re not down with that map.

Kevin de León

You’re referring to the labor map?

Nury Martinez

Yeah.

Kevin de León

There’s two maps, K2.5 and then the labor one.

Gil Cedillo

K2.5 I’m good with, right? I, we, all looked at the world from where we sit and I look at my K2.5 map — I’m good. When another map comes in, it dumps headaches from you and Mitch to me. So you guys are giving me your headaches.

Kevin de León

I’m not giving no one a headache.

Gil Cedillo

Well, I’m just saying that the 14 is Eagle Rock. Highland Park is Eagle Rock.

Ron Herrera

So how do you… Can you massage Gil’s issues in council, though, right?

Nury Martinez

That’s what we—

Gil Cedillo

The west and south, we can’t… Then you gotta choose…

Kevin de León

When you say, west, what are you referring to? K-town?

Gil Cedillo

Towards K-town, yeah.

Kevin de León

All of it, half of it, quarter of it…

Gil Cedillo

No, towards the gateway. Towards Vermont. [inaudible] K-town. They love us, they take care of us.

Nury Martinez

Is that what you want, K-town?

Gil Cedillo

No, I don’t want K-town. See that’s where the growth goes, towards K-town. Nobody even, when they say K-town, what’s the borders? Right? I got K-town. We go 6th to Vermont, I’m good. That gives me a population.

Nury Martinez

So this map right here, Gil, what part of this you don’t, what part of it you don’t want? This is 1.

Gil Cedillo

CD 1.

Nury Martinez

You go to Chinatown?

Gil Cedillo

Yeah, Chinatown is my area.

Nury Martinez

So here’s Pico. This is your base. I don’t want to speak out of turn. So, Westlake and Pico-Union is your base, correct?

Gil Cedillo

Correct.

Nury Martinez

Chinatown I think you’re good in. Elysian Park?

Gil Cedillo

Elysian Park. I’m OK.

Nury Martinez

Because this is labor’s map. So we’re trying to figure out what part of this map are you not good with?

Gil Cedillo

I’m not good with anything that adds more Elysian Park to me. I’m not good with anything that adds more Highland Park or Eagle Rock. I don’t see the streets here. So it’s hard for me to say. Right? Without seeing the streets here.

Nury Martinez

OK.

Gil Cedillo

I don’t know what I got.

Nury Martinez

If we can get you the streets, and this part of Highland Park is favorable for you, are you good with this map? Because that’s what I don’t understand. I understand your problems. I get that part. But if we can slice and dice this baby up to cut you off where you think that favorable people are in, bring those in and send the other part to the, to someone else, I’m all for that. I just need to know what I’m working with, with this map. So what is it on this map you’re not good with?

Gil Cedillo

I have to show this to Debby.

Nury Martinez

So can I get you this map in street form?

Gil Cedillo

Yep.

Nury Martinez

OK. That’s what I need to do. Can Ackley walk Debby through a link on a computer today to look at this map and find out where, where the cutoff, what part of Highland Park is OK? Because I don’t believe that this map is bad for you.

Gil Cedillo

I understand.

Nury Martinez

I believe that they, we, cut off the people that…

Gil Cedillo

There’s population, as Kevin mentioned, and then there’s politics.

Nury Martinez

I understand.

Gil Cedillo

And the politics are as important to us as the population. So you’re right. The voters go to work in Lincoln Heights, and come home to Lincoln Heights. But the activists, right? They’re there 24/7. And they don’t want us. I mean, the thing is, you’ve seen the meetings. It’s not ginned up. This is, they’re clamoring to go over there because they have some idea of some Chicano Mecca of Lincoln Heights, El Sereno and Boyle Heights. It’s not us, but they want to go, go in peace, man, go. We don’t care.

Nury Martinez

And this map takes them out. No, we heard you, we heard you and they’re gone. But I just want to make sure what you’re asking for is really the reality when it comes to the data and how these people are voting, how it’s trending. Because it might sound good in concept that you want this part. But if we go back and look at the numbers of how they’re trending, and it’s a lot more Berners, a lot more white people, that does not help you.

Ron Herrera

As soon as you guys…

Gil Cedillo

We know that, that’s why we’re against the northeast.

Nury Martinez

We can’t take all of the northeast off, either. Who takes the rest of the northeast? I mean, it’s problematic for everybody. So I think we’re gonna have to have some problem areas. All of us have to eat a little bit of shit, right? It’s not going to be a perfect fucking map.

Gil Cedillo

Mitch is a darling, for that type of people. And he’s—

Nury Martinez

OK, we’ll look at his district.

Gil Cedillo

I’m the only moreno that’s here.

Nury Martinez

And he’s not gonna get a perfect district either. I’m just trying to get a majority of a good district so that you all can get reelected. We’re all going to have to fucking face the fact—

Gil Cedillo

Debby can tell Ackley what our problems are. That’s it.

Nury Martinez

I believe that’s happened. I don’t believe it’s getting through though, Gil. And this is why I’m kinda, I don’t, I don’t know how else to convey this.

Gil Cedillo

Let me say this. Debby can tell Ackley what our problems are. And then everything else we’re agnostic to. We’re agnostic. But I will tell you there are certain, certain people who are deserving. And certain people who aren’t.

Kevin de León

You know, would it be a bad idea if Debby, Ackley and then Jennifer, for them three…

Nury Martinez

What time is the meeting tonight? I don’t even know. There’s another fucking — I don’t think they stop meeting. These fuckers. I’m so done. Like, just stop meeting ya de una vez (once and for all), throw in the towel. Shut up. Thank you very much for your service. In fact, that’s what Krekorian is pressuring me to do, to — blow the whole fucking thing up.

Kevin de León

But I think for perception-wise, to your point, is they’re not going to do what we want them to do, right?

Nury Martinez

Just move two maps forward.

Kevin de León

If they were to pull, if we were to pull like Fred Ali and I pull Sonja [Diaz], because you pull Fred Ali, I have to pull Sonja too.

Nury Martinez

Yo se (I know). But it is, it is going to be problems for us because these people are, they’re so-called purists, y se creen que (they think of themselves like), you know, they’re above it all and they know more than you and I.

Kevin de León

We created a Frankenstein monster.

Nury Martinez

We’ve created a fucking — people like, they feel like they’re in charge of themselves. You ain’t in charge of anybody.

Ron Herrera

Yeah. Took a life of its own.

Nury Martinez

Who the fuck do you think is like, fucking this monkey?

Kevin de León

Yeah, took a life of its own. Which is a lesson.

Nury Martinez

And I’ve never worked under these type of conditions. Like you’re, I’m of the opinion, right, that if I get appointed to something…

Kevin de León

I take direction.

Nury Martinez

Right here. What do you need me to do? Because I’m your, I’m your person. Like, what is it? What do you want me to move? And I’m clear about my job. These motherfuckers — I’m like…

Gil Cedillo

My guy has taken care of me. Right? But he’s created hard work for everybody else.

Nury Martinez

I don’t know that that’s true, though, Gil.

Gil Cedillo

I’m satisfied. We are satisfied with, I’m telling you, with Polanco, that’s the K2.5 and amended, we’re good with that. We can live with that. We think it’s generous to your guy, Mitch. But we’re OK with that.

Nury Martinez

Why do you keep saying “my guy”?

Ron Herrera

Well, he’s my guy.

Gil Cedillo

And your guy. He’s Ron’s guy.

Nury Martinez

Are you not cool with him any more? I needed a fucking placeholder. I don’t fucking need anybody to do my job. Because all these guys…

Gil Cedillo

I’m good with, look…

Nury Martinez

No thanks to both of you, but I do all the work.

Gil Cedillo

Look how hard I work to not let this be a compare-contrast to Echo Park.

Nury Martinez

I thought you guys were OK? You sound like you guys are OK. Like, fuck, man, you had me fooled. I’m like, oh yeah, ya se (now I know). We call it the bromance, a COVID bromance. They go on COVID y ya (and now) they’re like complimenting each other. This or this. This or that. And I’m like, oh fuck, I didn’t get the memo.

Gil Cedillo

I distinguish the work and the people.

Nury Martinez

And now we’re back to like battling, so I don’t understand.

Gil Cedillo

I’m not battling. Look how much I fought to keep him out of this.

Ron Herrera

He’s a, he’s a Teamster. I gotta support family.

Nury Martinez

Who?

Ron Herrera

Mitch.

Nury Martinez

Is a Teamster?

Ron Herrera

Yeah. That’s why this guy that’s running from HERE, I already told Susan: It’s you against us.

Nury Martinez

Sometimes you gotta bring people a little closer to try to control them a little bit, like sort of like, calm the hell down. He, I get it. He’s a, he’s a diva. I understand that.

Gil Cedillo

Look, look, here’s the deal. If I had a primary, I would not mess with this process. Let it end, and then let us resolve it. Right? So that’s what I told Paul on Saturday.

Ron Herrera

But we gotta poll like right away.

[Snaps fingers.]

Councilmember Mitch O'Farrell stands at a lectern.

Councilmember Mitch O’Farrell had support from labor leader Ron Herrera.

(Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times)

Ron Herrera

We gotta, as soon as this stuff is done, we gotta poll.

[Snaps fingers.]

Nury Martinez

We gotta what?

Ron Herrera

Poll, poll in the districts. Especially ones like with Gil, I want to poll right away.

Ridiculing Oaxacans in Koreatown

Kevin de León

Let me ask this, Gil. So if you go in more into K-town, right? Are those more Latino voters?

Gil Cedillo

Yep, K-town’s a misnomer. It’s called K-town, because it’s got a lot of Koreans, but it’s all Latinos.

Kevin de León

So those are the ones you want to pick — that you’d like to pick up.

Gil Cedillo

Yeah.

Nury Martinez

But not all of K-town.

Kevin de León

Who do they belong to right now?

Nury Martinez

Right now they’re in 10 — all of it — and Nithya wants a play for K-town. I say that’s not gonna happen. Because I didn’t want a beef with Mark. So don’t beef with Mark, let him take, and that serves—

Kevin de León

But now this is the beef with Mark.

Nury Martinez

Pero, mira. (But look.) It serves us to not give her all of K-town. Because if you do, that solidifies her renters district and that is not a good thing for any of us. You have to keep her on the fence. You have to make her work for it.

Gil Cedillo

Visualize this, Kevin. Alvarado, right? Lafayette Park. Just go down a little further and…

Nury Martinez

K-town. ¿Que más? (What else?)

Gil Cedillo

Go to 6th, to Vermont.

Kevin de León

That’s where like UFCW is at. That’s where the Pipe Trades are at.

Nury Martinez

Shatto Place or Shatto. Lafayette Park. ¿Eso es Koreatown? (Is it Koreatown?)

Gil Cedillo

Yeah, that’s called K-town.

Nury Martinez

I see a lot of little short dark people.

Gil Cedillo

Yeah, puro Oaxacans. Puro Oaxacan Koreans.

Nury Martinez

[Laughs.]

Gil Cedillo

Not even like Kevin, little ones.

Ron Herrera

Indios. My mom used to call them indios.

Nury Martinez

I was like, I don’t know where these people are from. Like I don’t know what village they came out of, how they got here. But—

Gil Cedillo

[inaudible] wearing shoes.

Nury Martinez

¡Tan feos!

Ron Herrera

I get what we have to do, right? Just massage to create districts that benefit you all.

Gil Cedillo

Yep.

Ron Herrera

And the future. But we got to figure out Mark’s seat too, you know. That benefits you three.

Nury Martinez

If the African Americans look at this, now that he may or may not be suspended, I don’t know what’s going to happen. I think he should be, but anyhow, if he goes away—

Kevin de León

You mean, you mean resign. Not suspended.

Nury Martinez

You’re right. There is, there is a difference.

Ron Herrera

If I may—

The ‘Wizard of Oz’ effect

Nury Martinez

If he resigns, hold on, if he resigns and the African Americans look at this as a hostile takeover because he’s gone, we’ll have to figure that shit out. Because politically, they’re going to come after us.

Kevin de León

Yeah, but can I say something right now? And this is what I call the, the— este como se llama (what’s he called), this guy, este (this), the movie? “The Wizard of Oz” effect. And what I mean by “The Wizard of Oz” effect is when you’re at the side of the curtain, it’s like this big voice. It sounds big—

Ron Herrera

An illusion.

Kevin de León

It sounds like there’s thousands. And then when you actually pull the curtain, is that you see the little wizard of Oz. You know what?

Nury Martinez

I’ve never watched the movie.

Kevin de León

It’s the same thing.

Nury Martinez

All right.

Ron Herrera

It’s real simple. You have a hundred people, right? Fifty-two of them are Mexicanos. I feel pretty good about it. I feel pretty good about my chances of beating your ass.

Gil Cedillo

Twenty-five are for Black, and the 25 Blacks are shouting.

Kevin de León

But they shout like they’re 250, when there’s 100 of us and it sounds like it’s 10 of us.

Ron Herrera

But that, but that seat like, if you don’t, OK, if you, if you don’t take them out, then it hurts all incumbents, that the council’s corrupt right? Expecting corruption. OK, No. 1. No. 2, if somebody slides in right, temporary or however you do it, right? That person has to support the three of you. Has to support the three of you. And Danny.

Kevin de León

Know who wants to run for that seat?

Ron Herrera

Reggie.

Kevin de León

I can’t support that Reggie. Reggie was over there with Karen. After I went, after he was fucking sweating his ass off—

Gil Cedillo

The one who will support us is Heather Hutt.

Ron Herrera

Yes.

Nury Martinez

Mmm… I like Heather Hutt. She’s the one that wrote that — I’m sorry that, that ran against Bryan Isaac.

Kevin de León

You know, who else?

Nury Martinez

We need a woman. An African American woman.

Kevin de León

You know who wants to run that seat? Irma Muñoz.

Nury Martinez

I don’t know who that is.

Kevin de León

Mujeres de la Tierra.

Gil Cedillo

Yeah.

Kevin de León

And she’s married…

Gil Cedillo

To a Black dude!

Kevin de León

…to an African American and she lives up in Baldwin Hills and she lives down the street from Karen Bass. She texts me, she says, “I want to run for that seat.”

Ron Herrera

Look, you’ve just gotta combat CoCo with that seat. That seat has to be anti-CoCo.

Gil Cedillo

Yeah.

Ron Herrera

I can’t say that publicly, only to you three.

Nury Martinez

¿Que más? (What else?)

Gil Cedillo

Heather and Irma. Jesus, those are like some people we can live with.

Nury Martinez

OK. ¿Que más?

Ron Herrera

Heather’s a personal friend.

Nury Martinez

Look at the boundaries in here.

Gil Cedillo

Yeah, a little south, a little south. Debby will know. It’s a little south. It’s a little west.

Kevin de León

Convene Debby, Ackley and Jennifer.

Nury Martinez

So there’s nothing we can do with Polanco at this time, right, we can’t move him to push the other map and bring both maps to us? There’s nothing you can do there?

Kevin de León

I mean, at the very least bring in both maps, so that gives us the choice. It gives—

Nury Martinez

It gives us options to look at other shit as we’re trying to figure this—

Kevin de León

If I’m a commissioner, I am trying to do my duty by giving choices.

Gil Cedillo

Let’s talk about what Ron said. The way Ron described it is the way it’s happened, OK? You guys had people and your people went rogue. Right? You had the president and the staff. You had the sequence of the meetings, was your guy, and is now. They came up with one map, one butcher sheet, right? And the big meeting, and everybody started working on the butcher sheet, like Ron said. So a couple of people said, “Yeah, let’s do that.” And after four hours, they said, “OK, well,” and then somebody said, “Well, what about the other butcher sheet?” We brought more butcher sheet. They said, “No, it’s done here. Work off of this.” And that’s how that happened. That’s organic. That’s the way it happened. I don’t know about any conspiracies, any groups or anything. They were exhausted. And they said, let’s work off of this sheet, just like Ron said. A couple said yes and a couple went along.

Kevin de León

That’s the K2.5.

Gil Cedillo

That’s the K2.5 then, including your person. And including your person, right? So that’s what they’re on. And now at the end of, I don’t know, 40-50 hours of them sitting together, including seven and a half on Saturday, Nithya gets up one day and says, “Oh my God, I don’t know what happened,” while her person…

Kevin de León

Jackie…

Gil Cedillo

…sold her out. Her person had one thing: I just want this. And they care about Nithya. I don’t know what happened to Paul’s person. And so there’s a work product there of which it keeps getting the consensus. So then what happened is it got political, and they brought in Big Mouth Jackie. They brought in, I don’t know why he brought in Susan. Right? Paul’s upset. And we’ll take care of it, right, just as we’ve said, and Nithya brought in Jackie. You still have your person, you still have Fred and you have another person, right? Long, short is they’re stuck on that thing. So to change that, it’s going to be hard for them. It’s like the end of negotiations and somebody says, I want, I know we have a tentative agreement, but I want to bring in another alternative. I understand. It’s hard, you can bring an amendment, or after the process before the vote, we can make the amendment. It’s just that, it’s the process of negotiations. It’s the organic process that takes place. That’s why I would caution you guys about changing your appointees, because it’s going to look more—

Kevin de León

We’re not going to do it.

Nury Martinez

Nah, we’re not going to do it.

Kevin de León

We’re going to have the conversation, but we’re not going to do it.

Gil Cedillo

And two maps will politicize it, too. We can politicize it because we’re the political entities and that’s what—

Kevin de León

As long as we know, see, I don’t mind politicizing it, amongst ourselves. Once we get the map and then sit down it’s—

Nury Martinez

It’s just much easier to get more than one option.

Kevin de León

Without a question, you know, process-wise.

Nury Martinez

And that’s why I was asking, is there any room to figure that out with Polanco, but if you say there isn’t, there isn’t.

Kevin de León

You know what I’m going to do? I’m gonna do this, I’m gonna do this. I’m gonna do a third ex parte with my, my member, and say, “Hey, you know what, give us the democratic choice of having more choices.

Nury Martinez

That’s all I’m asking.

Kevin de León

So, I’m going to make that request of mine. If they are willing to play, and if she’s willing to play and give us two, if not, then it’s us—

Gil Cedillo

You’re not ever gonna date her.

[Laughter.]

Kevin de León

No.

Nury Martinez

Not your type.

Kevin de León

Not my type at all.

Ron Herrera

You have the hard copies and I’ll send you guys electronic ones.

Gil Cedillo

Can I take the hard copy?

Nury Martinez

No, no you can’t.

Gil Cedillo

C’mon.

Ron Herrera

C’mon, you know how it went.

Gil Cedillo

I don’t do things, I’m not Augustino. He kept the one to 27 people, right? He kept the one. Guess where it was when [inaudible].

Nury Martinez

What are you taking? I take them when I’m dehydrated.

Kevin de León

It was because you’re still drinking a ton of water. You get all bloated. Vas al baño siempre. (You always go to the restroom.)

Gil Cedillo

Did you work with Stevens? Was he around?

Kevin de León

[inaudible] like four bottles of water.

Nury Martinez

I don’t have this flavor, but I’m gonna take it. I have the lemon one. No, I have a bag.

Ron Herrera

I was at the fucking—

Times staff writer Salvador Hernandez contributed to this report.

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